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Aug 11, 2015

Tuesday, August 11, 2015 Gareth Bain

Theme: WoW - Three-word phrases with W-O-W starting letters.

17A. Argument : WAR OF WORDS

24A. 1960 hit for Dion and the Belmonts : WHERE OR WHEN. Clip with a detailed write-up.(2:39)

35A. Extremely impressive quality, informally ... or, when read differently, what the four longest puzzle answers all have : WOW FACTOR

49A. Do the seemingly impossible, à la Jesus : WALK ON WATER

59A. 1937 Laurel and Hardy film involving a prospector's daughter and a gold mine : WAY OUT WEST. Clip, the dance scene.(2:50)

Argyle here. This being a Gareth puzzle, I guess I was expecting something harder. The NW filled in so easily I kept waiting for the second shoe to drop. I then realized the complexity wasn't in the solve but in the construction. Like yesterday, we see the strong columns in the corners with two less cheater squares. The reveal is still in the middle but did you note all the 'O' words are different. A nice touch.

Across:

1. Lute-like Indian instrument : SITAR

6. Genesis brother : ABEL and 30A. Genesis mother : EVE

10. Golfers' goals : PARS

14. Technique-sharpening Chopin piece : ÉTUDE

15. __ fide : BONA. (genuine)

16. From scratch : ANEW

19. Response to "Marco!" in a pool game : "POLO!"

20. Spreading tree : ELM

21. Chicago's Michigan, e.g.: Abbr. : AVE.

 
22. Hibachi spot : PATIO

23. __ de Janeiro : RIO

27. H.G. Wells genre : SCI-FI

29. Have regrets about : RUE

31. Bias : SLANT. Cute connection with 2D. Slanted letters : ITALICS

33. Skin blemish : ZIT

34. Raised, as horses : BRED

38. Cooking oil source : CORN

41. Many a mountain whose name ends in "horn" : ALP. Is this true, Marti?

42. Tickle : AMUSE

45. Bauxite, e.g. : ORE

46. Michelle of the LPGA : WIE

47. Scarfed down : ATE UP

54. Uni- + bi- : TRI-. Adding up prefixes.

55. Smelled a lot : STANK. Grammarist.

56. Bikini top : BRA

57. Skin art, for short : TAT

58. Pueblo-dwelling people : HOPI

63. Old-style "once" : ERST

64. Sunup direction : EAST

65. Eagle's home : AERIE

66. Tinting agents : DYES

67. Jazz group instrument : BASS

68. Actor Romero : CESAR

Down:

1. Underground waste conduits : SEWERS

3. Confused state : TURMOIL

4. "Much __ About Nothing" : ADO

5. NFL official : REF. (referee)

6. Higher in rank than : ABOVE

7. Destructive beetle : BORER

8. Conclude : END

9. __ Vegas : LAS

10. Large edible fruit : PAPAW. Pictured first is papaya or papaw or pawpaw. Slightly bigger than our Southern fruit, variously spelled pawpaw, paw paw, paw-paw, and papaw and pictured second.

 
 
11. One more : ANOTHER

12. Ease, as pain : RELIEVE

13. Fainted : SWOONED

18. Stroller cry : [WAH!]

22. Lead-in for heat or cook : PRE-

24. Derelict overdoing the grape : WINO

25. Idle of Monty Python : ERIC

26. "I'm __ here!": "Bye!" : OUTTA

28. Baby deer : FAWN

32. Creator of Finn and Sawyer : TWAIN

33. Microwave : ZAP

34. Very dry, as Champagne : BRUT

36. Aviated : FLEW

37. Poet Khayyám : OMAR

38. Bovine shelter : COW SHED

39. Cicero's skill : ORATORY

40. Health setback : RELAPSE

43. Hunting dogs : SETTERS

44. Landmass divided by the Urals : EURASIA

46. Stir-fry pan : WOK

48. Half of a rain rhythm : PITTER followed by patter...and it's headed this way.

50. Gentle washer setting : KNITS

51. Vast chasm : ABYSS

52. Runs easily : TROTS

53. __ de Cologne : EAU

59. Spider's creation : WEB

60. Little battery size : AAA

61. Tic-toe filler : TAC

62. Very little, to a Scot : WEE

 
Argyle


50 comments:

OwenKL said...

Wherever you go, then there you are
Over the hills, and away so far!
Worlds did change,
One's now in range
With telemarketers, wherever you are!

(Every theme word is a FACTOR in the following limericks.)

WORDS are how we communicate
OR else we'd be in a horrible state!
WHERE we have no voice
OUT goes our choice,
WHEN we can't even prevaricate!

WEST is WHERE they're having a drought,
OF rain or snow they've been withOUT.
WATER they need
ON field and seed,
WAY more they want from every spout!

WALK away from people and homes,
OUT where only the scorpion roams.
WOW if sides battled
OR only sand rattled --
WAR should be fought with nothing but drones!

Lemonade714 said...

Totally loved this and agree with Argyle' s write up. It was the O word all being different that made this grid so impressive. I also agree it was not as hard as some recent Tuesdays, but it still had its challenges.

My slow downs were COW SHED and the spelling of PAPAW. What musical comedy had picking of Pappas is a stage? Not a quiz, I remember watching my son in high school but can't recall the play.

Thanks GB and Argyle

Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

Never heard (or heard of) WHERE OR WHEN, but everything else was smooth and straightforward today. Didn't need to know the theme to solve, but it was nice to figure it out nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

WHERE OR WHEN by Harry Connick Jr. from that romcom we've all seen.

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

I've gotta start reading the complete clues! I had already gotten the theme, but I blew right past the reveal. Oh, well. Nicely done, Mr. Bain. I suspect you tried to avoid W's elsewhere in the grid, but "aneW" and "Wee" were your only choices.

Regarding the Belmonts, I'll quote what John Hartford said about the little Wharvey gals, "They could flat sing." Dion soon split from the group as a solo act.

There used to be a fairly decent seafood restaurant in Lake Charles named Paw Paw's. I stopped there a few times on the way to Grand Isle.

desper-otto said...

Wie.

kazie said...

Nice and easy Tuesday. My only do-overs were ILLNESS/RELAPSE and misspelling SITAH. But perps killed those quickly, and the theme was obvious early, so no real problems today--easier than yesterday.

TTP said...

Thank you Gareth and thank you Argyle.

Same as you Argyle. I went into overdrive almost immediately and had a feeling that I'd soon be slamming on the brakes, but I didn't even have to slow down for any curves. There were none.

Come to Chicago, and make sure you get the 48 or 72 hour pass for the Chicago Trolley & Double Decker Co. Hop On, Hop Off Bus Tour at MICHIGAN AVE, across from the Wrigley Building, on the north side of the river. Stop # 2 on the map. Hint, take the Map and Ticket Locations links on the left side of that link to see the stop names and locations. You won't RUE taking that tour.

Also, don't miss the Chicago Architecture Foundation River Cruise. You'll get tickets on the southeast side of the Michigan AVE bridge at Lower Wacker on the River Walk. My tip ? Get there early, be among the first in line to get on the boat, and sit on the upper deck in the very back. What a great way to see Chicago and learn about the architecture and history.

PAW PAW, IL was named after a large grove of Paw Paw trees. It is in Lee County IL, ESE of Dixon, IL, boyhood home of Ronald Reagan. Dixon also claimed John Deere as a notable resident. The John Deere Classic, a PGA event, is held in nearby Silvas, IL, at TPC Deere Run. Golf there is described as "affordable" at less than $100, with an exclusive twilight rate of $69.

Much more affordable is Lost Nation Golf Club, which has a Dixon address but is actually located in Ogle County. It's $31, and that includes cart. It's only 6200 yards, which is about 1000 yards shorter (from the tips), than the TPC course. I'm sure to get more PARS at Lost Nation than TPC John Deere.

Ogle County is also home to POLO, IL. It was named in honor of Marco POLO, the great Venetian traveler.

A nod to Madame DeFarge with KNITS.

thehondohurricane said...


Seems like many of the recent puzzles have been constructed with only a North & South section. W/O the Central section, does this make the constructors challenge easier, harder, or the same? For me, puzzles with no Central section have been more troublesome to solve.

Write overs for today today are 55A Stank/STUNK & 39D Oration/ORATORY. Never knew PAPAW & pretty sure I've never eaten one nor will I.

Favorite clue WIE. Why not? She's such a pretty lady with two gorgeous gams.

Is it Cain or ABEL... always seem to enter the wrong brother. Marco POLO? Referring to billiards or the swimming pool? I have no idea.

Anyhow, I enjoyed the offering from Gareth...IMO, he a;ways presents fun puzzles.

Badly needed rain falling. Predictions are between one & two inches. Casey's becoming an "it" today, a decision I always have mixed feelings about, but it's the pets best interest.... I think.

CanadianEh! said...

WOW! What a fun morning. Thanks Gareth and Argyle.

Straight-forward solve and lots of smiles.
Enjoyed the cross of WOK and Walked on Water.

Interesting info on PAPAWS. We don't see a lot of them here but peaches are in full swing.

Have a great day.

Tinbeni said...

WOW !!! Easiest Gareth puzzle ever.

Really enjoyed the WOW FACTOR theme ... and the additional "W's.

Thought ITALIC'S crossing into SLANT was clever.

Wonder if the WINO drinks "Very dry, as Champagne" BRUT vino.

It is a beautiful sunny day ... time to walk on the beach.
Cheers!

VirginiaSycamore said...

WOW! I kept being amazed that my first guess was right every time. Didn't know WHERE OR WHEN either. I had heard of Pawpaw because there was a lake development in my town with that name. But I didn't know it was edible or the spelling. Got from perps.

H.G. Wells' War Of the Worlds would've made the cut for the theme if you ignored the THE.

Thanks to Gareth and Argyle for puzzle and write-up.

Anonymous said...

Barry G. This is for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0O_f3kzHrg&list=PLy-yRNjf_2Y7Kz_tX6UxFKEeifgco1qKa

VirginiaSycamore said...

Hondo,
For the game Marco Polo one person has a blindfold or shuts their eyes. When he yells Marco the other players have to yell Polo. It is like a blind man's tag.

Madame Defarge said...

Good Morning!

Nice Puzzle, Gareth. I wanted papaya or paw paw, so I was hung up in the Northeast. I found the theme answers before the theme so that helped move the morning along. Thanks, Argyle. Spot on!

TTP: Thanks for the SO. I was just musing and writing about knitting earlier this morning. Initially, I wanted rinse for KNITS. Ha! You provided perfect suggestions for a Chicago visit! My kind of town.

Speaking of songs. . . . Maybe you are thinking of Sinatra, Bennett or Andy Williams with WHERE OR WHEN, quite an old saloon standard. Have a great day everyone.

Husker Gary said...

Musings
-PAPAW for PAPYA the only speed bump on this nice Tuesday exercise
-The lads from Liverpool made us aware of the SITAR
-Dutch ELM disease got the trees of my yute and now the Ash BORER is threatening the trees of my, uh, senior years
-Remember when Huntley and Brinkley give us news without a SLANT?
-Grain elevators here have lots of these hauling away last year’s bumper crop to make room for this year’s bumper crop
-Do I AMUSE you?
-Remember when rock and roll groups used this kind of BASS?
-Twitter can really make “much ADO about nothing” these days and then, pfft, it’s gone!
-You’re my age if you remember Way Down Yonder In The PAWPAW Patch being sung on Captain Kangaroo.
-I call Joann’s purse the ABYSS. What you want is in there but…
-The lovely Michelle WEI is not WEE
-They all SWOONED when what musical character sang Honestly Sincere?

Avg Joe said...

WEES. Pretty smooth sailing. Had stunk for stank. Didn't know the alternate spelling for Pawpaw. Had to wait for perps after OUT.. to see if it was OF or TA. Was able to avoid the reveal today, but it took some effort.

TTP, to you ever play Medinah?

HeartRx said...

Ha! Even though the reveal was in the middle, today I had figured it out before I got there. So WOW FACTOR was a gimme.

Unlike the Grinch, this puzzle didn't STiNK, STANK or STuNK.

Argyle,I can only think of two: Matterhorn and Weisshorn. I'm sure there are many more. I can think of several ending in "spitz" though!

Dudley said...

Hello Puzzlers -

Didn't quite manage a speed run, because without perps I couldn't suss Where or When. Didn't spot the theme until it was done, certainly appreciated Gareth's selection of dissimilar "O" words.

Stunk reminds me of a line from "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" by Dr. Seuss: "The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote: 'Stink, stank, stunk!!'"

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

As always, a fun and clever offering from Gareth. Where or When certainly brings back memories. I didn't notice the cleverness of the different "O" words until Argyle's recap.

Thanks Mr. B and Mr. A for an enjoyable Tuesday offering and expo.

Have a great day.

Mr. Google said...

There are, indeed, many Alpine peaks ending in "-horn". You'll find them here.

Anonymous said...

Hi All!

What Argyle said - Bain on a Tuesday?!? Oh, my... But easy once I realized I dyslexic'd PAPAy and finally parsed WHEREORyHEN properly. Thanks to both of you.

I'm not OUT WEST yet, but still stuck EAST of HOU in NOLA. My grand adventure ended in the French Quarter when, with many streets blocked off and Siri sending me round and round in unmoving traffic, the Alpha overheated. The next morning I got about 8 miles down the road and had to call AAA. The shop thought they fixed it yesterday, but no. 10 miles after the "fix" I called AAA a second time. The car is on a truck headed WEST and I'll be on a flight today...

Fav: 26d 'cuz I wanna get OUTTA here!

Cheers, -T

C6D6 Peg said...

Very enjoyable puzzle today. Thanks for the "WOW of a puzzle", Gareth!

Nice write-up, Argyle. Thanks for the pics of the Papayas.

Big Easy said...

After I filled WAR OF WORDS and WHERE, I guessed that all the long fills would start with 'W' but I totally missed the WOW. PAPAW-I've never run across that spelling and only knew PAPAYA, but the W was the only thing that fit the song, WHERE OR WHEN that I listened to on the link and hope that it was the first and last time that song it hits my ears. My mother taught piano and organ and subscribed to ETUDE Magazine.

Anon@ 6:13- Harry Connick's first cousin- PatConnick- is my local state representative in the legislature. The first couple of times Pat ran for office, Harry played gratis in the fund raisers. I remember Harry playing with the symphony when he was about 10 years old.

I purposely did not fill 35A and filled it by perps. Putting the reveal in the center of the puzzle only makes solving an easy puzzle easier. My only other slow downs were PITTER-PATTER and COW BARN-SHED. Lemonade and I were thinking alike. This had to be the easiest puzzle by Gareth, who is usually only seen later in the week.

This 'Golfer's goals'- hopefully lose less than 2 balls on water holes per 18 holes. Every course I play on usually has water coming into play on at least half the holes. I only use Pro-V1s when I find one that somebody else has lost.

kazie said...

Thanks to Argyle for clearing up the pawpaw dilemma--that's always confusing.

Also along the STANK STUNK lines, something that always annoyed me was the movie title "Honey I Shrunk the Kids". Obvious grammatical errors in such titles and song words just perpetuate the ignorance of those who mimic them and never know any better. These verb constructions are inherited from German, like so much of what is confusing in English.

Some of the base German verbs go i to a to u, but some of their English descendants go i to ou for both past tense and the past participle.

Examples of the first group, though not necessarily the same meaning as their German roots are:
cling clang clung; swing swang (?) swung; sing sang sung; sink sank sunk; spring sprang sprung; drink drank drunk.

In the second group we have only bind bound, and find found, that I can think of.Hope this helps if any are still confused.

unclefred said...

Blasted right thru this until I got to the SW and put in COWBARN and ORATION, which left me scratching my head for a while. Then realized ERST had to be the perp word, and once that was in place, the rest materialized in reasonable time. Though the puzzle as a whole ended up taking much longer than usual due to the SW. Overall, a fun puzzle, thanks Mr. Bain, and a terrific write up, thanks Argyle, and thanks to everyone who contributes with comments, too, including Owen for his limericks. The always great write-ups and comments are half the fun, so Thanks Again to everyone. (I feel I should add "And to all a good night!" for some reason).

Spitzboov said...

Good morning everyone.

WEES and what Argyle said. Easy today but retained the Gareth brightness. Fun theme. No strikethroughs or searches were needed.
Marti - Thx for the SO.

(Why Oh Why Did I Ever Leave) Wyoming (1947)

Spitzboov said...

Kazie - Wind wound, too.

TTP said...

ocbeach, from yesterday... I meant to comment on your Sea Hunt query. It's on every weekday morning here with back to back episodes from 3 to 4 AM, on "This TV" (schedule), followed by back to back episodes of Highway Patrol with Broderick Crawford. Dan Mathews solves major crimes with the greatest of ease and terribly stiff performances. Still, I tune in when up at those hours.

Avg Joe, No, I've never played Medinah, but would like to play it. It's private, and you have to be invited by a member. Have you played it ?

It's one of the top 3 I would like to play here, along with Butler National and Chicago Golf Club. Then Olympia Fields. I'd have to put Chicago Golf Club first, just because it was the first 18 hole course in America.

As an aside, I have played a course here called Golf Clubs of Illinois, which, at the time I played it, was the longest hole in the US at 678 yards. And uphill. O.B. to the right.
Hole 11 at Golf Clubs of Illinois. It was dubbed Grant's March by someone. I think it was a misnomer and they were thinking of Sherman's March. I think I took a 10 on that hole.

kazie said...

Thanks Spitz,
I thought you might have a few too. I went through an old German Strong Verb list I had my upper level students create, with the verbs all grouped according to how they changed. We probably missed quite a few, but it helped the kids learn about the existing patterns and helped them remember them. I had to learn them originally in alphabetical lists with the change patterns all mixed together, so it was harder to see any system of changes.

coneyro said...

WEES...My pen was was flying across the puzzle.

Figured theme out after second long fill, but really didn't need it to finish.

Very familiar with Dion's song, "WHERE OR WHEN", but needed a few letters in before I remembered "WAY OUT WEST". I think I saw every Laurel and Hardy film growing up, along with Abbott and Costello and the Three Stooges. They don't make 'um like they used to. I love slapstick humor.

PAPAW is a delicious fruit. Makes a great salad or dessert when mixed with mango and pineapple. Add a scoop of coconut sherbet or sorbet and the result is tropical heaven.

It's a shame that Mark TWAIN's books have come under scrutiny by the PC police, to the point of being removed from some school libraries. Are authors now supposed to anticipate the cultural climate 100 years in the future? Ridiculous! It's getting out of hand, IMO.

Well, I guess I'm done, and I'm OUTTA here.

Avg Joe said...

No TTP, I haven't. And I can't claim to be a golfer....only that I own a set of clubs. But the reason I ask is that I have a nephew that caddies there. He's getting married next summer, so I'll likely have a chance to see the course, but I doubt I'd have the nerve to play it.....or the budget.

Dinah Shore said...

Why, oh why, oh why oh,
Why did I ever leave Ohio
.

Jayce said...

What Spitzboov said.

Mr. Google said...

Grant's March

Since Grant lived in Galena, Illinois, it seems an appropriate choice for an Illinois golf course.

CrossEyedDave said...

WOW Factor?

War of Words?

The science of Where or When.

Walk on Water?

WAY OUT WEST...

TTP said...

Avg Joe, that sounds great. If he offers you a tour of Medinah, take it. Wow, as a caddie, your nephew probably gets a chance every now and then to play the courses there. No doubt your nephew is often rubbing elbows with the extremely well-heeled. Yea, paying for a round on course # 3 there, and tipping the looper would probably pay my electric bill for three summertime months.

Mr Google. It's probable that the hole was named for that reason. I don't see any reference to it with that name on their website, but I did find this 1994 Tribune Article about Grant's March. It was the 15th hole back then, which would have been about the time I played it.

Argyle said...

Recordings of Where or When. LINK Wow!

Mr. Google said...

TTP:

I found this in the archives of the late Phil Kosin's Chicagoland Golf blog, Worm Castings:

"For many years, the monster par-5 was hole No. 15 along the northern boundary of the course, known as “Grant’s March” in honor of the Civil War general and U. S. President who once lived in far northwest Galena. Illinois."

Chairman Moe said...

"puzzling thoughts":

TTP - as you may recall, I lived in St Charles for about 3 years back in the early '90's. While there, I went to the US Open at Medinah (the one Hale Irwin won); saw Butler National when they played the Western Open there; ditto Kemper Lakes (played it a couple of times); played Cog Hill #4 (Dubsdread - also former location for the Western Open); played GC of Illinois, and many, many others. But the one that was really interesting to play was Bob-O-Link in Highland Park. One of our customers (a converter of products I sold) was a member there, and he invited me and two others from our company to play. I wasn't aware of the "history" behind Bob-O-Link, and I dare say that in this "politically correct" world in which we live, a lot of folks would be upset about their "boys only" membership policies. What I DO recall, is that I used Mike Ditka's locker (had my choice of his or Bob Hope's); the course allowed you to drive a cart right up to the fringe of the green (no cart paths); the clubhouse, while very "Victorian looking" was anything but "stuffy" inside - most of the guys who were sitting at the bar were wearing nothing but a towel or robe. All members have a membership elsewhere so their wives can have a place to play. The club has a very strict, "no females allowed" policy, so they're definitely not going to be in line for any PGA tournaments, although I think they might've been part of the PGA or US Open rotation back in the 1920-1930's. But aside from their "no women (or dogs) policy", Bob O'Link has very few rules in general. I imagine that the character Al Czervik (Rodney Dangerfield) in Caddyshack would've felt right at home there!

Bluehen said...

I found this to be a beautifully constructed speed run with an amusing theme. Thank you, Mr. Bain. And thanks, Argyle, for a great solve and expo with entertaining links. I think it may have taken longer to complete the expo than the puzzle.
This is the first time that I have ever completed a G. B. puzzle needing only the across clues. I thought , "This is a Gareth Bain puzzle. Don't get lulled to sleep, 'cause it's going to get crunchier". WOW, it never happened.
I will have to admit that once I got the theme fill, I had to go back to fill in the previous two theme entries. I never heard Dion and the Belmonts sing "Where or When" (and wish now I still hadn't) but the perps were solid. I remembered "WAY OUT WEST" because that dance scene has been linked before. Delightful. After the last fill in order, the only fill left open was 9a. I stared at it for a while until it occurred to me that it might by POLO, but surely not. I played a lot of pool in my misspent youth, and never heard of a game called "Marco Polo". And besides, that makes the spelling of pawpaw PAPAW. Can't be. But, all of the other perps would be solid, so I screwed up my courage and entered it. TADA. Son of a gun.
I've run on a lot longer than usual. I imagine you can tell I'm starting to feel better. Before I go I want to also thank OKL for the great limericks, CED for the always amusing links, and VS for explaining Marco Polo. One more thing. In the Seventies the Belmonts released their own album, "Acapella" that I thought was darned good. "Flat sing" indeed.

Anonymous said...

Amazing.

http://crosswordcorner.blogspot.com/2012/04/sunday-april-29-2012-alan-arbesfeld.html

TTP said...

Chairman Moe, Bob-O-Link sounds a lot like Butler National with the policy. Hope you got a picture in front of Da Coach's locker. That would be classic.

I've played Dubsdread at Cog Hill a number of times. Once was the week after the Western Open and we paid extra to play in the same conditions and course setup as the pros played. A friend of mine worked for a corporation that had a hospitality tent at the Western. Went 3 years in a row with everything comp'ed. Haven't played Kemper Lakes. There are so many great courses in Chicagoland. Perhaps too many. No, No, No ! What am I saying ? Blasphemous !

Avg Joe, you may get a kick out of this. After breakfast with BIL # 1 on Sunday, and surveying the site where he wanted to build his shed, I drew a rough sketch based on what he wanted. Pretty simple really. 8' x 12', gable ends, 10' at the peak, 3/4" treated floor on 16' OC frame sitting on 12' 6"x6" timbers, walls framed 16" OC (his spec), 3' wide double door, cedar 1/4 trim, no windows, no skylight, no electric, no water, and 30 year 3 tab shingles. Told him then that materials would probably be in the neighborhood of $1200 to $1400.

So I did a takeoff this afternoon and went over to the local Menards. $980 for the lumber, excluding the 1x4 cedar trim I forgot to write down. Then maybe another $160-$180 for the misc stuff like the t-hinges, slide bolt latches, 10 lb 16d cc sinkers, roofing nails, and a roll of of wire weld nails (600 ct.) for my siding gun. Pretty close to the original guestimate on the materials.

I could probably reduce his cost a little bit by using 4"x6" sleepers, framing the walls at 24" OC, and not using 5/8" RB&B for siding. We'll see what happens. He and his wife were going to go price TuffSheds and ready-to-assemble wood sheds from the home centers....

Avg Joe said...

Sounds like you nailed the materials list, TTP. I was recently at Home Despot, and noticed their sheds, out in the lot, and with prices quoted on each. I was surprised at the cost, but can't recall quite what they were. Prolly pretty competitive with the materials list, though. Yard sheds are a convenience, but they are not a good investment. If they genuinely need it, go for it. But if they think they'll get their money back.....dream on.

Anonymous T said...

TTP - sounds simmilar to the one on the front of the July/August '15 issue of The Family Handyman. If you don't have it, pick it up - it may give you a trick or two. When you're done w/ BIL#1's SHED, come on down to H-Town and build one for my Spider :-)

I'm back from my Keouac trip. If you care to hear of some of the TURMOIL, the earlier -T anon was me posting from my iPhone before my NOLA flight. The Alfa will be here soon... DW won't be happy it's in her garage slot :-)

Cheers, -T

TTP said...

Avg Joe, yea, they are in that house for the long haul, and he wants it only to get the mowers, the snow blower, and misc tools and sundries out of his garage.

Anon-T, welcome back. Sorry to hear that you couldn't make it all the way back from Tallahassee in your AR Spider. I have been a subscriber to Family Handyman for years ! Great magazine AFAIC. I looked back at the issue you referenced. The base is similar... Have you seen this month's issue yet ? A very nice tribute to Ray Doty. His "Wordless Workshop" illustrations were always the first thing I turned to in my Popular Science magazines back in the day, and Family Handyman has carried him ever since. He was an American original, and I will miss his him and his artistic skill.

I have reached my limit on posts for the day. See you all tomorrow !

fermatprime said...

Greetings!

Thanks, Gareth and Santa!

Nice theme! Easy puzzle!

Just got back from derm. Real disaster.

Cheers!

Anonymous T said...

TTP - Upon reading your post I went to the mailbox. I didn't realized the Wordless Workshop Doty was the same illustrator from PS that always AMUSEd me. Nice tribute to him. WW (and Great Goofs) are always my 1st read too. Pop is a handyman after quiting the "boss" world and always sends me a subscription for Christmas. Good luck w/ the SHED, tho' it sounds like you don't need it :-)

While waiting for AAA, a guy walked by... "Your Alfa?" Yes. "Nice" When it starts... "PAR for an Alfa" what have I done to myself?

DW beat the AR home - so she got the garage slot... Impetus to clean OUT the other side of the garage ANEW.

And since no one linked it... With so may troubles so far w/ the car, I still had to Look on the Bright Side of Life (ERIC Idle). 'Tis a sweet ride.

Cheers, -T

Anonymous T said...

If you followed the ERIC Idle link above and were curious re: the very end as credits rolled "Who pays for this rubbish - he'll never get his money back" line... George Harrison did when EMI pulled out. And yes, the former Beatle made his money back++ (not like he needed it). C, -T

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